This week, Dr Julie Macken recaps two primary historic moments that took place this week in Australia: having no submarines for at least a decade and breaching treating obligations. In this episode, Julie discusses how the billions spent in the AUKUS deal and toward 3 submarines could have perhaps been put to better use, such as housing 4 million Australians. Julie also reflects on how labour campaigned for a fair, rational, and humane government that recognises the humanity in those seeking protection. Yet, innocent people fleeing persecution may be facing up to 5 years in jail.

What do we do, as citizens, in the face of these outcomes?