Shadow AI is costing organizations $10.3 million a year—more than malicious insider threats combined. Employees are using AI tools nobody approved, on data nobody's tracking, and most leadership teams have no idea it's happening at this scale.

Banning AI doesn't work. You can't solve this with another policy PDF nobody reads. You need real behavioral change.

In this episode, hosts Sam Dey and Mac Goswami sit down with Kate Marshall-founder of TheGrai and author of AI at Work—to expose why most enterprise AI rollouts fail at the most critical layer: getting people to actually adopt and stick with new tools and processes.

What You'll Learn:

🔹 The $10.3M Shadow AI Problem — What that number actually represents and why banning AI just drives it underground

🔹 The Maturity Model Trap — Why organizations get stuck be ...