In this episode, we discuss the threat of viruses to our understanding of humanity, and how HIV has been the case example of a virus that has and continues to be used as a causative agent for stigmatizing and excluding queer communities from healthcare. Dr. Steven Thrasher, transdisciplinary scholar and journalist, speaks with us about his work investigating the systemic sociodemographic conditions that negatively skew our treatment of people with HIV and other viruses mentioned within his book, The Viral Underclass.