What would it take to build a true science of the mind , one that combines brain theory, robotics, and behavior into a unified framework? Paul Verschure and Tony Prescott reflect on a decade of interdisciplinary research at the intersection of neuroscience, psychology, and engineering, asking whether synthetic models can finally deliver the explanatory theories that biology alone has failed to produce. Subscribe for more from the Convergent Science Network podcast series. In this special episode, Verschure and Prescott turn the microphone on each other to discuss the intellectual foundations behind the BCBT summer school and the Living Machines conference. Starting from the famous Rosenbluth and Wiener argument that understanding complex biological systems requires building simplified physical models, they examine why robots offer something anima ...