In this episode Ryan and Elena finally sit down for the catch-up we’ve all been waiting for, Elena’s full debrief on her first trip to Italy with a five-year-old, a husband with a bad knee, and way too many suitcases.

From sprinting through train stations, 200-step bathroom emergencies, Aperol spritz culture, stroller-free streets, gondola serenades, and learning how Italians truly prioritize life, Elena shares the good, the chaotic, the hilarious, and the unexpectedly heart-warming parts of traveling as a family abroad.

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