In this episode, John and Jason talk to David, who lays out his story of addiction and recovery so directly and simply that it’s easy to forget just how incredible it is. Part of it is his deep, gravelly voice, which was made for podcasting (he doesn’t do that professionally…yet). But mostly it’s his honesty.

From huffing paint thinner at an early age to daily marijuana use in middle school, David’s addictions led to a stint in rehab before he graduated high school. He relapsed after a year but got sober again at 18 and abstained from drugs and alcohol for 21 years.

But that’s not the whole story. While he was building a life that looked good on the outside, he was still miserable inside. He’d stopped taking the cocaine and booze that made living with his internal darkness tolerable, but he still had a black hole that he hadn’t dealt  ...