In this episode, Taylor speaks to Jim and Jamie Dutcher, who are both two well known wolf advocates and extremely accomplished wildlife filmmakers, winning 3 Primetime Emmys. Our discussion focuses on their experiences living with the famed Sawtooth Wolf Pack for 6 years, the lessons they learned from wolves, and why wolves are crucial, keystone species.

"It's not hard to be a Matsi" - Jamie (learn more about the importance of this quote during the episode)

Support Jim and Jamie's non-profit, Living With Wolves

Shop their books (like I mentioned in the episode, I read Wisdom of Wolves in 2 day - it's a must read)