Eighty thousand people. Twenty-three square kilometers of the Nevada desert. Eight days. And then, nothing. No trace. This week on All Things Sustainable, we sit down with Athena Demos and Doug Jacobson, the co-founders behind the official virtual Burning Man experience, The BurnerSphere. From the Moop Map to solar-powered sound camps to a bike recycling program that started at a local high school, we dig into how one of the world's most unconventional gatherings has become a laboratory for sustainable innovation. By reimagining how technology can foster shared presence and radical inclusion, Athena and Doug are redefining sustainability and building a blueprint for what value-driven digital spaces can look like. So, can VR become cultural infrastructure for a more sustainable future? Give the episode a listen and let us know your thoughts!