What if the wars we fight aren't about safety, but about an incentive structure designed to keep the defense budget growing? Connor Echols, managing editor at Responsible Statecraft and the Quincy Institute, joins Kevin and John to pull back the curtain on the military industrial complex. We discuss how foreign governments and defense contractors fund the think tanks that shape Washington policy, the true cost of the current conflict with Iran, and why the system is rigged to prefer forever wars over diplomatic solutions.

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Official Site: https://quincyinst.org/

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