Trent Mankelow is one of the OGs of New Zealand’s design and startup scene — a founder, UX leader, and advisor who helped shape the early digital product landscape here. In this conversation, Trent and I talk about what happens when you hit product-market fit... but aren’t ready for what comes next.

We unpack the emotional weight of selling your company, the governance gaps that nearly cost them the deal, and the tension between customer obsession and investor expectations.

If you’re building with an exit in mind — or maybe should be — this one’s full of lived experience.

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