27 Jan 2026

New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman discusses the potential end of the American-led world order under President Trump. He argues that Trump’s “me first” politics, rather than “America first,” are causing a rupture with traditional allies and pushing the world towards a new order. Friedman believes this shift is driven by Trump’s personal impulses and is not supported by the underlying structures of American foreign policy.

The conversation discusses the impact of globalisation, highlighting its benefits and the need for better management of its downsides. The discussion also touches on immigration, with a focus on the need for a controlled border and legal immigration, while criticising the actions of ICE in Minneapolis. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the role of ICE and their use of masks, which is s ...