What happens when everyone talks about a conflict, but not with the people at the center of it? Daniella and Yossi Alpher discuss Israel’s exclusion from negotiations over a war it fought, think tanks that debate Israel without Israelis, and an Israeli political system that keeps avoiding both Palestinians and Arab citizens of Israel. The conversation ends with a more practical question: when Netanyahu and Trump lie on TV, do you mute them, or keep listening because they still matter?