In this episode of License & Unsupervised, we’re joined by our first official “supervisor” — Rian DeVeer.

We start with origin stories — how we all got to where we are today, how we first met Rian, and the impressions that stuck.

From there, we talk about his experience in beauty school as both a student and a teacher, and how education in the hair industry has evolved across generations.

We get into:

• Men in the hair industry and how that has changed over time
• Confidence — especially for men in a creative space
• Learning hair through print vs learning through YouTube
• The influence of artists like Guy Tang
• Behind the Chair magazine and how we used to learn from print
• How Rian learned through digital platforms
• Working together on set for the Empower sho ...