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"You've gotta walk across the bindis a bit to get to the swimming pool."
What if everything you’re hoping for is sitting on the other side of the thing you keep avoiding?
In this open, tender and surprisingly funny conversation, I sit down with Osher Günsberg, a man who has been in Australian living rooms for nearly two decades, and who spent a lot of that time doing the hardest work of his life off camera.
We talk about the version of Osher that millions of us watched on Idol and The Bachelor, and the version who went home afterwards. He speaks with such generosity about sixteen years of sobriety, about the drinking and the painkillers, about periods of psychosis, and about the day he rang twenty-three people just to get through it. He’s very clear that none of it was solved by clever thinking. What saved him, every single time, was other humans.
We explore:
- The three great lies our brain tells us: this is permanent, this is personal, this is everything
- Why you can’t think your way out of thinking, and what to reach for instead
- Speaking plainly about a psychosis diagnosis... it’s grim, but so is a compound fracture
- Being a stepdad first, and the grace of honouring the dad who is already there
[Recorded Online June 2026]
About Osher Günsberg:
Osher Günsberg has been a familiar face and voice in Australian homes for close to twenty years, from Channel V to seven seasons of Australian Idol, a decade of The Bachelor, and the narration on Bondi Rescue. He’s also a podcaster, best-selling author, award-winning doco maker, mental health advocate, husband, dad and stepdad. He’s been sober for more than sixteen years and speaks about it the way it was first spoken to him, plainly and without shame, so the next person doesn’t have to work it out alone.
Connect with Osher:
- Instagram: @osher_gunsberg
- Podcast: Better Than Yesterday
- Book: So What? Now What?
- Linktree: /osher_gunsberg
If this episode hits close to home:
There are many doors into support, and they all do the job. National Alcohol and Other Drug Hotline 1800 250 015, free and confidential, 24 hours; Lifeline 13 11 14. And Osher's own advice, which costs nothing: before you pick up a drink, pick up the phone.
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