In this episode of Holy Heartbreak Podcast, Ryan Dawn Holland sits down with therapist, podcaster, and spiritual mentor Kyle Spears to talk about seeking spiritual maturity both in and out of the church. Together, they unpack the tension between needing therapy and spiritual guidance.

This conversation gets real about:

• When scripture gets weaponized
• What emotionally healthy mentorship really looks like (and how to be a good advisor)
• Why trauma-informed discipleship is essential
• How to find a safe spiritual mentor who won’t try to “fix” you
• And why doing the work—in therapy and in faith—is a vital part of maturing in Christ

Whether you’ve been burned by bad advice, manipulated with Bible verses, or just want to ...