In this powerful episode of Hey Man; It’s Ok, Sky and Ryan sit down with authors Jim and Bela, whose book We All Die - Healthcare Insiders Pull no Punches on Our Failed System. Together, they unpack how money, policy, and burnout have shaped a system that often forgets the human beings it’s meant to serve.

Through honest conversation, they explore the emotional toll on both patients and providers, the impossible choices families face, and the need for a complete reimagining of how we approach care in this country. Jim and Bayla share personal stories, eye-opening data, and hopeful ideas for rebuilding a system centered on compassion, equity, and mental well-being.

If you’ve ever felt frustrated, unseen, or overwhelmed navigating healthcare—or you simply care about creating a system that truly helps people—this one’s for you.