In this conversation, Ben speaks to Ben Phillips, co-founder and CTO of Thread.

They approach a wide range of topics, from Stoic philosophy to mental health, relationships, sleep, burnout, learning, decision making and others - which makes their conversation distinctly in-depth and, at times, deeply introspective.

In detail, they discuss the role of death and how we can use it to cultivate resilience in ourselves. How to use mental frameworks to find the benefit of hindsight in advance. And how Ben has developed outstanding professional relationships - like the one with his Co-founder - now onto their second company - and 16th year together.

Ben openly shares his experience of burnout. How a combination of obsessive learning and lack of sleep meant that … after an all-hands meeting late one Friday- Ben sought found support from  ...