In this episode of the CivilTalk Podcast, Topacio is joined by Dr. Marcella Runell — Vice President for Student Life and Dean of Students at Mount Holyoke College —for a powerful conversation about emotional intelligence, cross-racial friendship, hip hop, multifaith leadership, and creating cultures of care in higher education. Dr. Runell shares reflections from her co-authored book UnCommon Bonds, her groundbreaking programs like Faith Zone and the Hip-Hop & Pedagogy Initiative, and how we can build more emotionally honest communities.