Tony Dunst, longtime commentator and co-host of the World Poker Tour broadcasts, drops by the (virtual) studio for a chat. We catch up a bit, discuss our backgrounds, his work for WPT, the poker boom, financial planning, prediction markets, the NFL, the gamification of America, and more. We've both taken a bit of a step back from poker this year, hence the episode title. (Well, that, plus football, plus his actual role as commentator... it works on so many levels.)