In her recent book, Indebted Mobilities, Dr. Susan Thomas explores migrant students' material and affective encounters with debt in U.S. universities. She joins the podcast to explore the ways that higher education institutions specifically and empire more broadly aim to produce indebted migrant subjects. This wide ranging conversation also emphasizes how students negotiate and resist. That is, even as they are surveilled and disciplined, immigrant students forge educations as part of an internationalist form of solidarity.