A review of the fourth episode of Star Trek: Discovery, "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry," and a look at the current state of The Orville. The discussion covers the portrayal of Captain Lorca, the introduction of experimental drive technology, and the aesthetic differences between current Star Trek series and the original timeline. There is also commentary on recent episodes of The Orville, including the use of holographic technology and the character dynamics of the crew.