In this episode, Peace sits down with special guest Britt Hartley for a wide-ranging conversation on what spirituality can look like outside the boundaries of organized religion—without dismissing religion entirely.

We explore the idea of spiritual atheism: the search for meaning, transcendence, and moral depth in a secular world, while refusing to “throw the baby out with the bathwater.” Together, we examine the positive and formative aspects of religious traditions, even for those who no longer identify with belief in a literal God.

The conversation moves through altered states and the role of psychedelics in spiritual experience, the modern hunger for awe and connection, and how ancient religious frameworks may have once made room for ideas that feel radical today—such as the possibility that God was once understood t ...