This conversation originally aired on Progress Reimagined, hosted by Kathleen Chu. We're resharing it here with permission.

What if more information isn't what we need to transform our lives?

We live in a time when almost any answer is available within seconds. We can read the book, watch the YouTube video, listen to the podcast, or ask AI—and still find ourselves stuck.

So what actually helps us transform?

This week's episode is a little different. Besan Abu-Joudeh, founder of the School of Radical Imagination, joins Kathleen Chu on Progress Reimagined to share the story behind the School—and the personal unraveling that led her to imagine a different kind of education.

They explore why learning alongside other people can unlock something information alone cannot, why imagin ...