Are you burned out at work, quietly wondering if starting a business or a new chapter is the only way to feel alive again?

In this conversation, Spencer Jones shares how chasing ego, money, and notoriety took him from a “secure” choir director job straight into rock bottom, complete with people‑pleasing, “energy vampires,” and even suicidal thoughts—and how he rebuilt with a clear, hopeful path forward.​

We unpack his powerful “cup” analogy, why self‑care doesn’t work if your cup is full of holes, and what it actually takes to repair those leaks while you wrestle with finances, fear, and tough conversations with a spouse about leaving a corporate job or teaching for entrepreneurship.

By the end, you’ll walk away with new language, a simp ...