Bowie, Bernays, Ba’al, Bulan and Tavistock with Robert Phoenix

WORD UP with Dani Katz by dani katz

Episode notes

While I interviewed Robert just last month (or was it the month before? Wait, what’s a “month” again?), we thought to pick up the conversation sooner than later, so as to really dial in some clarity as to who, exactly, are this “they” that are pulling all the strings? And so it is that Robert and I shared another delicious deep dive about the machinations of the sham show.

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