In Episode 13 of Worship, Bass, Coffee, Jay sits down with bassist, worship leader, real-estate pro, and longtime supporter of the show Phil Lawson. Phil was one of the very first people to reach out when the podcast launched, and this conversation feels like the full-circle moment it was always meant to be. Jay and Phil talk through what everyday life looks like when you’re juggling family, full-time work, serving at church, and still trying to stay musically sharp. Phil shares how his journey—from music education, to leading worship, to building a career in real estate—shaped the way he approaches Sundays, preparation, and ministry today.

They dig into his musical roots, the bass that shaped him, how he balances calling and schedule, and the practical rhythms that help him serve well without burning out. And of c ...