This week I'm speaking with the theater performer, director and teacher Ethan Kobayashi-Hsieh. Ethan is the creator of TIAMAT, which stands for The Integrative Approach and Methodology of Active Transformation. Put succinctly, Ethan's work uses theater as the means for practitioners to create an embodied, multi-perspectival awareness of themselves as applies to a robust search for meaning and purpose.

I first encountered his work through the podcast of cognitive scientist and professor John Vervaeke. I immediately saw parallels to my own theories about theater as a pathway toward individuation: Jung's term for the process of intense self discovery and meaning making. Both Ethan and John's work has proven inspirational and I reached out to Ethan and began a conversation.

This led to our recording what you're about to see which lasted n ...