Ayeeee, I’ve got my first guest in three seasons: my former 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign boss and lifelong friend, Stanford Williams. We’re taking it back ten years to where we met in Portland, Maine, reflecting on 2016, her loss, and how it all compares to today’s politics. Stanford and I break down the differences between the Obama and Clinton campaigns, share our experiences from 2016, and spill unfiltered tea on early 2028 primary buzz around Kamala Harris and Pete Buttigieg.

Oh, and this episode comes with actual visual clips for all the visual learners out there; check them out on YouTube: