In this episode, botanist Nathanael Pilla sits down with naturalist Charley Eiseman to dive into the curious, often overlooked world of sawflies. In this conversation Charley and Nathanael highlight why thinking deeply about the natural world can lead to some incredible discoveries and how little we actually know about the world around us.

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