Welcome to the Real Shift Podcast, where real conversations create transformative experiences. Join your hosts Ignacio and Debra Leon as they embark on an insightful journey through the intricate dynamics of marriage. In our first episode, we celebrate a remarkable milestone—27 years of marriage. Ignacio and Debra reflect on their own enduring commitment, exploring the essence of the marriage vow: "for better or for worse." With wisdom gained from a wealth of shared experiences, they candidly discuss the challenges and triumphs they've encountered along the way. Through heartfelt storytelling, engaging interviews, and thought-provoking discussions, Real Shift Podcast offers a fresh perspective on the ever-evolving institution of marriage. Ignacio and Debra's genuine and vulnerable approach invites listeners to reexamine their own relationships and d ...