Regular catch up between Dan Ryan and Jordan Knight Among other things we discuss:

• CPAC and Quillette functions we respectively attended, their pros and cons, and to what extent they these existing organizations get NatCon and the new right
• The recent admission by the Assistant Immigration Minister that migrants to have provided only "marginal economic benefit" to Australia
• A discussion of some of our respective media appearances, NatCon podcasts guests, and articles
• Whether Australian governments are really implementing any serious change on immigration and whether they get the new reality at all on trade
• The various ways the immigration system is being rorted and how bad things are with illegal immigration in the United States