Why does everything in your church still seem to depend on the same few faithful people?

The same volunteers. The same leaders. The same families. The same exhausted core.

If that sounds familiar, this episode is for you.

In this conversation, Kevin unpacks one of the most common frustrations pastors face: carrying too much because engagement is concentrated in too few people.

The hard truth?

This usually isn’t a people problem.

It’s a systems problem.

Inside this episode:

• Why disengagement is often confusion, not rebellion
• The hidden pathway problem keeping people passive
• Why pastors end up carrying more than they should
• How ownership culture is intentionally built
• The leadership shift that changes everything

If you’re tired of the same few doing all ...