Front Row Seats to Humanity: Awe and the Practice of Medicine with Dr. Erica Miller & Dr. Emily Salib | FIM Podcast #41

Today, we are joined by Dr. Erica Miller and Dr. Emily Salib, educators and physicians from the University of Rochester.

Dr. Erica Miller, MD, is a cardiologist and Assistant Professor at the University of Rochester. She serves as Program Director of the Internal Medicine-Pediatrics Residency Program. Dr. Emily Salib, MD, is an Assistant Professor of Medicine and Pediatrics at UR and a Med-Peds hospitalist who holds multiple faculty development and residency leadership roles.

In this rich and deeply human conversation, Drs. Miller and Salib join Mick Krasner to explore awe in medicine and how wonder, moral beauty, connection, and transcendence can sustain clinicians amid the pressures of modern healthcare.

We also cover:

• What awe is and Dacher Keltner's research
• How modern medicine may unintentionally train awe out of trainees and clinicians
• How to notice and cultivate awe in daily practice
• New research linking awe and sacred moments to lower rates of burnout

Learn from these two physician-educators about how awe might be a powerful, accessible, and overlooked resource for sustaining meaning and well-being in medicine.

Dr. Erica Miller LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erica-miller-md/

Dr. Erica Miller Profile: https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/people/112360726-erica-miller

Dr. Emily Salib Profile: https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/people/112360918-emily-salib

Greater Good Science Center: https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/

Awe by Dacher Keltner: https://www.amazon.com/Awe-Science-Everyday-Wonder-Transform/dp/1984879685

A Grateful Day (by Brother David Steindl-Rast): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSt7k_q_qRU&t=28s

Gratefulness.org: https://gratefulness.org/

EmPro Website: https://www.myempro.com/

EmPro Peer Support Program: https://www.myempro.com/peer-support/

Physician Support Line: +1(888) 409-0141

Physician Support Line Website: https://www.physiciansupportline.com/

Dr. Krasner's Website: https://mickkrasnermd.com/

Mindful Practice in Medicine Website: https://mindfulpracticeinmedicine.com/

Chapters:

(00:00) Introduction

(06:35) Why Medicine

(11:25) Defining Awe

(13:35) Awe During the Pandemic

(18:15) Awe & Clinicians

(21:25) Cultural Fears

(25:20) Awe with Colleagues

(28:55) Connecting with Awe

(32:00) Awe & Grief

(37:00) Sacred Moments

(41:00) Conclusion