Matt Formston AM is legally blind and has surfed a 51-foot wave at Nazaré.

Four-time surfing world champion. Paralympic cyclist. World record holder. Fifteen years at Optus exceeding enterprise sales targets by 140 per cent.

But before any of that, Christmas Eve, 3am, blood on his clothes that wasn't his own.

This is a conversation about rock bottom, the question "why not?", and what it actually takes to let go of the rope when you can't see the five-story wave you're riding down.

We go deep on the trust formula, on standards and consequences, on the difference between unlocking performance and extracting it, and on why high standards are the foundation of psychological safety, not the enemy of it.

This is a conversation for any leader who needs to know how trust is actually built when the stakes are life and death. ...