Jack Alvey is joined by his seminary friend the Reverend Geoff Evans, Rector of St. James Parish in Jackson, Mississippi, for a conversation on one of the most contested questions in Christian theology: why did Jesus have to die, and why does it matter? From a controversial seminary T-shirt to Wendell Berry's Battle of the Bulge, the conversation ranges widely — but keeps returning to the same center: the cross is where God's justice and mercy meet, and where everything gets reorganized.