Why do so many people enjoy games where it seems your only purpose is to die? Jackie talks to Stef about one of her favorite passions, roguelikes - games where for the most part, you don't progress at all if you die, having to restart all over again. The primary topic of this discussion is Noita, a beautiful sidescrolling game that really hammers down on the notion that the only thing that gets better each time you play is your skill.