Fivel & JohnPaul discuss the changing role of occupational counselors today, Chumbawamba, dancing as a movement, Rorschach tests, Richard Deacon, when to give up, Cousin Itt, the role of shame, and much more!

Episode description below:

Morticia thinks marriage counseling would be the perfect career choice for Cousin Itt. To prove it to him, she and Gomez pretend to be a couple in trouble. But things go awry when she starts believing in parts of Gomez's fanciful play-acting. Now Morticia and Gomez really are a couple in trouble, and Itt won't do as a marriage counselor at all. Morticia and Gomez call professional vocation advisor Mortimer Phelps (Richard Deacon) to find Cousin Itt a job. Phelps evaluates Itt and decides he should be a marriage counselor.