John Graham spent fifteen years in the high stakes world of international diplomacy, serving in the middle of revolutions in Libya and the front lines of the Vietnam War. For years, he lived as an "adrenaline junkie," viewing conflict as a source of personal adventure rather than a human tragedy. That changed during a "Kafkaesque" night in Hue, Vietnam, when he realized he was ordering the deaths of 17 year olds for a war he no longer believed in.

In this episode, Kevin and John discuss Graham’s radical transformation and his time at the United Nations, where he covertly worked against his own government's hypocrisy to help end apartheid in South Africa. Now the co-founder of the Giraffe Heroes Project, John shares how we can all find meaning by "sticking our necks out" for the common good and why taking "smart risks" is es ...