136: Is the New Apostolic Reformation a Cult? (with Doug Geivett & Holly Pivec)
Welcome to the Theology & Ethics podcast! In this episode, the KC team (and guests Dr. Doug Geivett and Holly Pivec discuss the New Apostolic Reformation, its prominent members, and the many dangers that it poses. Doug Geivett and Holly Pivec have co-authored four books covering the history, doctrines and practices of NAR and its “apostles” and “prophets.” Doug Geivett has been teaching philosophy at Biola University (La Mirada, CA) since 1993. He was educated at Multnomah University (B.S.), Gonzaga University (M.A.), Dallas Theological Seminary (M.A.), and the University of Southern California (Ph.D.). He has participated in public debates on the question of God's existence with Richard Dawkins, Michael Shermer, Paul Draper, Bruce Russell, John Shook, and Gordon Stein. He lectures nationally and internationally on an assortment of topics related to his publications. Holly Pivec has a master’s degree in Christian apologetics from Biola University. She was the University Editor at Biola for nearly a decade and also served as managing editor of the award-winning Biola Magazine. If you’d like to get in touch with us, give us a call or send us a text at (909) 493-7799, or send us an email at contact@kirkwoodcenter.org. Visit us on our website at kirkwoodcenter.org. Join the theology & ethics conversation & see more from The Kirkwood Center on our socials! Facebook: https://shorturl.at/R3NKg Instagram: https://shorturl.at/UNceb X/Twitter: https://t.ly/Gt8f8 YouTube: https://t.ly/LDbWO Substack: https://t.ly/wBABv Website: https://kirkwoodcenter.org/ If you enjoyed this episode, please take a second to leave us a review on your podcast app of choice. If this episode made you think of someone you know, shoot them a link! #newapostolicreformation #bethelchurch #bethelmusic #mikebickle #cpeterwagner #billjohnson #billjohnsonbethel #latterrain #internationalhouseofprayer #prophecy #spiritualpower #prayer CHAPTERS & TIMECODES 00:00:00-Introduction 00:08:37-Concerns over NAR’s Cultish Features 00:11:18-A History of The New Apostolic Reformation 00:18:24-The Global Scope of NAR 00:21:48-Similarities between NAR and Mormonism 00:24:08-Is NAR a Cult? 00:29:37-NAR’s Novel and Aberrant Teachings 00:40:56-NAR, Dominionism and Christian Nationalism 00:46:00-NAR and The Shepherding Movement 00:49:21-The Mike Bickle Scandal at IHOP 00:58:22-The NAR Idea of “Prayer” and The Story of Olive Heilegental 01:08:17-How NAR “Prophets” Get Around Failed Prophecy 01:12:57-Power and NAR’s Spiritual Abuses 01:17:44-How Bethel Music Draws People into NAR 01:20:15-NAR’s Deviant Spiritualism and The Myth of Miracles 01:28:52-Bill Johnson and The Allure of Spiritual Power 01:34:32-Sexual Misconduct & Church Leadership 01:40:19-Culture Seeking Spirituality 01:42:57-Conclusion
