What if healing isn’t something you do to others but something you must first do within yourself.

In this episode of The Griswold Method, Dr. Matt Griswold sits down with Dr. Joe Lai avulse based orthodontist, holistic healthcare practitioner, and longtime collaborator for a deeply reflective conversation about alignment, awakening, and the inner work required to truly help others heal.

After 26 years in traditional healthcare, Dr. Joe Lai shares the moment everything changed: a season of forced silence, solitude, and stillness that shifted him from operating on autopilot to living in conscious awareness. What followed was not just better care for patients but a completely different way of showing up as a man, father, husband, and healer.

Together, they explore:

• The difference between religious beli ...