Art theft gets sold as theatre. Velvet ropes, lasers, a billionaire in a white suit. Arthur Brand talks about the parts that do not photograph well. Phone numbers. Missing inventory records. And the small window of time it takes to cross a gallery, hit a case, grab an object, and be out the door.

Brand is a Dutch art detective. Speaking with Tamzin Lovell on Taller Together, he describes the work as investigation and negotiation, but mostly risk management. You need people to talk. You also need them to survive having talked.