My guest today is Hon Shane Jones MP, Deputy Leader of New Zealand First. He is also Minister for Oceans and Fisheries in the Christopher Luxon Government.

Today we discuss:

• What New Zealand First is and what it shares in common with other national populist parties across the West.
• His explanation for why such parties are rising in the polls globally.
• His story and what motivated him to move from the NZ Labour Party to NZ First
• Whether NZ First has a realistic chance of one day displacing the National Party and becoming the dominant party on the right in New Zealand

And much, much, more