Most people think being an artist is about talent, inspiration, or creativity.

It’s not.

In this episode, we talk about the part no one really prepares you for—the middle. The repetition. The patience. The moments where nothing feels like it’s working, but you keep showing up anyway.

Tom shares what learning clay is teaching him about control, timing, and letting go.

Rebecca talks about the tension between creating art and running a business—and how easy it is to feel like you “did nothing” even when you did everything.

We also get into:

– Why play creates your best work (but can’t sustain it)

– The pressure to become “iconic” as an artist

– What watching Andy Warhol’s life revealed about success and unhappiness

– Why the label “artist” might not even matter

– The balance  ...