Jake and Nick sit down with their childhood friend Jeff Sermons Jr. to talk about the history of their friendship. They discuss Jeff's struggles with mental health, how he forms connections, and how he's learned to manage his emotions into adulthood. Plus, they get into masculinity and how it's totally not about physical strength... probably.

TW: mental health, self-harm, death of a loved one, racism

Music: Friends (Instrumental) - Whodini

Clips:

• May 1, 1969: Fred Rogers testifies before the Senate Subcommittee on Communications
• The Thing (1982)
• Ms. Rachel - "Learn About Emotions and Feelings"