In this episode, Kelly is joined by Jenna DeWitt, a fierce advocate for queer belonging and full celebration in the Church and a woman who identifies as a sapphic aromantic asexual. Jenna is a writer, editor, and resource curator, and today she joins the show to talk about:

• what the "A" in the acronym LGBTQIA+ stands for (asexual, aromantic, agender)

• what allo-normativity and amato-normativity mean and why they, as societal and cultural norms in the West and certainly within the Church, need to be dismantled and destroyed

• why the conversation around liberation has to include the freedom not to do something (like have sex, get married, be partnered, have children, etc.), just as much as the freedom to do it, and the freedom to decide for oneself.