In this episode, Kelly interviews author, speaker, and immigrant advocate, Karen González, about what it looks like to, and ways we can, center immigrants in the Christian response to immigration. They discuss:

• the importance of language and the words we choose to use (or choose to unlearn) when talking about immigrants, refugees, and asylum seekers, as well as the real consequences of that language in their lives

• ethics para joder, where citizens and immigrants partner together to "screw with the system" and defy unjust laws for the protection and flourishing of all

• practical, actionable ways we can move the needle toward justice and equity and flourishing for immigrants on both small and large scales, locally and nationally...

• and the political landscape of recent history and w ...