Jimmy and Peter head into Hollywood’s treacherous development hell with returning guest Michael Punke, author of The Revenant, and celebrated screenwriter Tab Murphy (Gorillas in the Mist). What begins as a conversation about screenwriting and adaptation opens into something deeper: mountain men, Jeremiah Johnson, the creative power of empty places, and the value of stripping a story down to its bare essentials. Along the way, they kick around the question of whether's America’s independent spirit began with a man in buckskins trying to sell a beaver pelt?

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