On this episode of Kill the Small Talk, Alex Caron sits down with comedians Jeff Horste and Esther Nevarez for a hilarious conversation about stand-up comedy, improv, bombing, hecklers, and the weirdest gigs they’ve ever done.

Jeff Horste, a Detroit native, has appeared on Comedy Central twice, including Kevin Hart Presents: The Next Level and Hart of the City. Esther Nevarez is a comic, actress, improviser, and gong practitioner. Together, Jeff and Esther host the podcast We Are Freaking Out.

In this episode, they talk about how they each got started in comedy, learning through open mics, dealing with bad shows, and why some gigs are doomed before the first joke even lands. They also get into vegan life, audience psychology, bar shows, nudist colony performances, underwear comedy shows, and the realities of trying to make comedy work ...