Plot twist – this is our first episode in which the Co-Host and Guest have particularly close ties.

Listen as Ann (and Aaron) cross examines Ann’s mom, Maureen Franco, about key matters like the family dogs’ names and Ann’s perfectionist tendencies. Oh yeah, and hear how Maureen leads a federal public defender’s office larger than most states in a compassionate and family-focused manner.

Angel on the Street Vera talks about her experience in mock trial and how she sees that activity as enriching for all participants.