Today’s guest is Mason Sawyer. His story is almost too heavy to imagine. In July 2021, just a month after I walked out of prison, Mason lost his wife, two of his children, his brother, and his nephew in a single car accident.

In this conversation, Mason opens up about grief, strength, and why he refuses to believe that “everything happens for a reason.” We talk about how pain and hope can exist side by side, the myths people carry about resilience, and what it means to keep going, for his surviving son, Blue.

This is a conversation about fatherhood, vulnerability, and the lessons that only come on the hardest days. It’s raw. It’s honest. And it will stay with you.

Tune in as we dive into:

(00:00) Strength through life's pain

(07:56) Asking for help as real strength

(12:09) Why young listeners connect

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